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Post by XxfrozenbutterflyxX on Sat Apr 11, 2009 5:14 pm

Neighter me..hate those close minded people Mad
Like I said I love both eras,just can`t wait to hear more new albums Very Happy
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Post by Ena-Gothic on Sat Apr 11, 2009 5:20 pm

XxfrozenbutterflyxX wrote:Neighter me..hate those close minded people Mad
Like I said I love both eras,just can`t wait to hear more new albums Very Happy
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Post by XxfrozenbutterflyxX on Sun Apr 12, 2009 9:45 am

Exactly..that`s all we want Razz
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Post by Ena-Gothic on Sun Apr 12, 2009 12:52 pm

yup Razz
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Post by funeral freak on Mon Apr 13, 2009 5:36 am

im agree
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Post by XxfrozenbutterflyxX on Tue Apr 14, 2009 11:59 am

i`m happy taht you agree Very Happy
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Post by Ena-Gothic on Sat Apr 18, 2009 3:47 pm

They will have next album in next 2-3 years....can not waiiiiit!!!
They said it in Croatia
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Post by XxfrozenbutterflyxX on Sat Apr 18, 2009 10:03 pm

2/3 years? affraid Crying or Very sad
That`s much really... Shocked
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Post by funeral freak on Mon Apr 20, 2009 3:52 am

really!!!!!!!! 2 or 3 years, cannot be possible!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by NightSiren on Sun May 03, 2009 12:45 am

Both but a little more Tarja Wink
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Post by tapanihietala on Thu Jul 09, 2009 11:20 pm

i love them both, i can't prefer! Smile
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Post by Fani on Sun Jul 19, 2009 12:08 pm

Both.
Anette and Tarja are both great singers.
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Post by Ena-Gothic on Sun Jul 19, 2009 2:10 pm

Yes , we can not compare different vocals.
And Nettie and Tarja deserve respect ^_^
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Post by Ktsunami on Sun Jul 19, 2009 5:36 pm

Old.

I don't like Anette singing the old songs very much, she can do a few well. But I'd rather she left Nemo and Wishmaster, in particular, alone. Tarja brought something that was really unique when Nightwish started and special to the table. Nightwish were really the first popular band to use a classically trained vocalist, and part of me feels like Nightwish really abandoned their roots when they hired Anette.

But I still like Dark Passion Play. I don't think Anette is a bad singer, but she's a rock singer, the kind you hear on 98 rock or whatever station you listen to in the car.

Tuomas still writes all the music, so for all intents and purposes, the singer doesn't really matter as they're just vehicles of Tuomas's work.

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Post by KellieBent on Sun Jul 19, 2009 6:00 pm

It's both for me.

Thing is if they had got another classical singer she'd get compared even more. No ones ever gonna be able to sing as well as Tarja so I dont see the point in getting another classical singer. Anette brings something completely new to Nightwish which I love.

I love both eras. Theres some old songs I actually prefer with Anette like The Siren and Sleeping Sun and Ever Dream.

Only the singers changed and the music and lyrics are always gonna be amazing. A singer is only 1 member and theres 4 others. Who happen to be the most talented and sexy Finns. So I'd support the band no matter what.

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Post by Teh Porcupine on Mon Jul 20, 2009 4:49 am

Oh yes, as long as Tuo is writing the lryics I'll be a fan Like a Star @ heaven

My thoughts are as followed:

I adore Tarja. She is an amazing singer and made Nw something very special. Nothing will ever touch that specialness and no one should sing those songs she made remarkable.

I like Dark Passion Play a lot. Yes it took me some time to get used to the change and I admit at first I thought Anette didn't sing so well live. I just get upset when she sings the original Nw songs differently or disrupts the image of Nw Tarja built.
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Post by Ktsunami on Sun Jul 26, 2009 7:17 pm

The other thing I just thought of is that there is so much more "old" Nightwish than "new" Nightwish. Laughing You can't really listen to DPP's 13 songs exclusively and not go crazy. So that might have something to do with why I say Old, there's more stuff to listen to. xD

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Post by KellieBent on Sun Jul 26, 2009 7:19 pm

Yeah I do end up listening to the Old stuff a lot more just because there is more of it. Saying that the amount of live stuff I have from the 08 festivals probably equals it out.

They do need to hurry up with a new album though.

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Post by Fani on Sun Jul 26, 2009 9:35 pm

We do need another album to go crazy over.

Anette can sing songs really well live, it's just that some that Tarja sang really well, Anette sings and she isn't all in all good.

I'm not saying she's a crap singer because she is a good singer but some of the Tarja era songs were fit for her voice. I can't see Tarja singing Eva so well or Anette singing Nemo perfectly! You know?
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Post by Teh Porcupine on Sun Jul 26, 2009 9:51 pm

When I first got DPP I listened to it over and over and eventually did make myself sick of it.
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Post by Fani on Sun Jul 26, 2009 9:53 pm

That's what I'm doing now XD Not being sick of it - listening to it over and over.

I need for things with Anette! 90% of the albums have Tarja.
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Post by KellieBent on Sun Jul 26, 2009 11:13 pm

I just never get sick of listening to DPP. I should never be able to listen to Amaranth again really because it's been on repeat so much.

I love every old song Anette's sung so I'm alright with my live festival songs, but I'd love some more new songs.

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Post by Teh Porcupine on Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:40 am

I got tired of the Islander...I listened to it so much lol and For the Heart I Once Had...took me awhile to listen to that again after how long I had it on repeat...well I'd listen to FITHO(w/e) and then Islander and repeat those two.
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Post by Sweetie_Nettan on Wed Jul 29, 2009 2:48 pm

I love both eras.
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Post by EraseTheSilence on Thu Jun 10, 2010 9:16 am

I only listen to the old era...
But of course I just adore Tuomas for his songwriting!
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